Comments on: Baffle WiFi Leeches With An Upside-Down-Ternet http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ gadget.hacking.gaming.geek.tech Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:47:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: 384 – Leeching The Wifi | craighobern.com http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10176 384 – Leeching The Wifi | craighobern.com Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:12:34 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10176 [...] it would be a great idea to leech my wifi. Silly silly boy, after turning everything to kittens and flipping it upside-down, We chucked a WPA password on it. Gotta Love [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10176','384 – Leeching The Wifi | craighobern.com'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10176','384 – Leeching The Wifi | craighobern.com','[...] it would be a great idea to leech my wifi. Silly silly boy, after turning everything to kittens and flipping it upside-down, We chucked a WPA password on it. Gotta Love [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] it would be a great idea to leech my wifi. Silly silly boy, after turning everything to kittens and flipping it upside-down, We chucked a WPA password on it. Gotta Love [...]
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]]> By: johnm http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10107 johnm Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:17:17 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10107 I don't get people who won't let folks use their wifi signal. My network is wide open (from the modem to wireless router anyways, not to our personal computers) and several of my neighbors use it from time to time. They all have their own internet services, so I'm guessing they connect automatically at times, or they purposefully connect when they get a better signal from me then from their own system (I've got decent antennas set up to network several houses down to the house with the router). I purposefully left access control and encryption off because i don't care if people want to use my stuff. I log everything anyways, and if someone becomes a problem I'll cut them off. If a neighbor/passer by has actual malicious intentions, there's far more concerning vulnerabilities than my wifi, and if they aren't malicious, then I don't care if they use it anyways. I help myself to folks connections when I go for walks and need to access something, and if others want to do the same, even from within their house, I am fine with it. They don't have the right to demand this of me, but I'd think the position that its mind and you can't have any (just cuz its mine and .... well, they might do something bad!) is stupid. Its selfish. As for those who control access for other reasons, cost for example, I'd share their position, but I never did get the security issue. I log the access, and I'm not responsible for others' use anyways (nor are the other millions who leave their wifi open) beyond the fee I pay my provider, and someone who wanted to cause me trouble could key my car, break my windows, bleach my lawn, burglarize my house, or any number of things that I'd prefer much less. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10107','johnm'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10107','johnm','I don't get people who won't let folks use their wifi signal. My network is wide open (from the modem to wireless router anyways, not to our personal computers) and several of my neighbors use it from time to time. They all have their own internet services, so I'm guessing they connect automatically at times, or they purposefully connect when they get a better signal from me then from their own system (I've got decent antennas set up to network several houses down to the house with the router). I purposefully left access control and encryption off because i don't care if people want to use my stuff. I log everything anyways, and if someone becomes a problem I'll cut them off. If a neighbor\/passer by has actual malicious intentions, there's far more concerning vulnerabilities than my wifi, and if they aren't malicious, then I don't care if they use it anyways. \n \nI help myself to folks connections when I go for walks and need to access something, and if others want to do the same, even from within their house, I am fine with it. They don't have the right to demand this of me, but I'd think the position that its mind and you can't have any (just cuz its mine and .... well, they might do something bad!) is stupid. Its selfish. As for those who control access for other reasons, cost for example, I'd share their position, but I never did get the security issue. I log the access, and I'm not responsible for others' use anyways (nor are the other millions who leave their wifi open) beyond the fee I pay my provider, and someone who wanted to cause me trouble could key my car, break my windows, bleach my lawn, burglarize my house, or any number of things that I'd prefer much less. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don't get people who won't let folks use their wifi signal. My network is wide open (from the modem to wireless router anyways, not to our personal computers) and several of my neighbors use it from time to time. They all have their own internet services, so I'm guessing they connect automatically at times, or they purposefully connect when they get a better signal from me then from their own system (I've got decent antennas set up to network several houses down to the house with the router). I purposefully left access control and encryption off because i don't care if people want to use my stuff. I log everything anyways, and if someone becomes a problem I'll cut them off. If a neighbor/passer by has actual malicious intentions, there's far more concerning vulnerabilities than my wifi, and if they aren't malicious, then I don't care if they use it anyways.

I help myself to folks connections when I go for walks and need to access something, and if others want to do the same, even from within their house, I am fine with it. They don't have the right to demand this of me, but I'd think the position that its mind and you can't have any (just cuz its mine and …. well, they might do something bad!) is stupid. Its selfish. As for those who control access for other reasons, cost for example, I'd share their position, but I never did get the security issue. I log the access, and I'm not responsible for others' use anyways (nor are the other millions who leave their wifi open) beyond the fee I pay my provider, and someone who wanted to cause me trouble could key my car, break my windows, bleach my lawn, burglarize my house, or any number of things that I'd prefer much less.

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]]> By: p. jaxon http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10103 p. jaxon Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:53:10 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10103 How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10103','p. jaxon'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10103','p. jaxon','How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck.
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]]> By: p. jaxon http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10104 p. jaxon Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:53:10 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10104 How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10104','p. jaxon'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10104','p. jaxon','How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> How do I change the damn password on my Belkin wireless? I 'lent' it to my new neighbor until they got hooked up and they decided not to get hooked up when they could just keep using mine and I've searched the help section for days now and can't do something so simple as that. OK, that's pathetic but I'm a relative amateur and unless I can find an instruction I'm stuck.
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]]> By: Are you really a Geek? 54 Things Geeks Should Know. « Shiny Otaku http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10102 Are you really a Geek? 54 Things Geeks Should Know. « Shiny Otaku Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:23:43 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10102 [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (74.200.245.190) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP (76.74.255.123) and so is spam.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10102','Are you really a Geek? 54 Things Geeks Should Know. « Shiny Otaku'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10102','Are you really a Geek? 54 Things Geeks Should Know. « Shiny Otaku','[...] http:\/\/tech.nocr.at\/hacking-security\/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2\/ [...]\n\n[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment\'s server IP (74.200.245.190) doesn\'t match the comment\'s URL host IP (76.74.255.123) and so is spam.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment’s server IP (74.200.245.190) doesn’t match the comment’s URL host IP (76.74.255.123) and so is spam.

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]]> By: @troop1028 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10093 @troop1028 Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:13:18 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10093 The moral of the story is, just like Dad use to say, nothing in life is free, go get a job and pay for access, ya bum! <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10093','@troop1028'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10093','@troop1028','The moral of the story is, just like Dad use to say, nothing in life is free, go get a job and pay for access, ya bum! '); return false;">Quote</a></div> The moral of the story is, just like Dad use to say, nothing in life is free, go get a job and pay for access, ya bum!
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]]> By: 64 Geek Things! « Just Some Random Thoughts….. http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10091 64 Geek Things! « Just Some Random Thoughts….. Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:52:34 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10091 [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (72.233.69.24) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10091','64 Geek Things! « Just Some Random Thoughts…..'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10091','64 Geek Things! « Just Some Random Thoughts…..','[...] http:\/\/tech.nocr.at\/hacking-security\/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2\/ [...]\n\n[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment\'s server IP (72.233.69.24) doesn\'t match the comment\'s URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment’s server IP (72.233.69.24) doesn’t match the comment’s URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.

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]]> By: InternetBroken? http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10019 InternetBroken? Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:05:26 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-10019 Personally, I have my own wifi and don't really need yours, but wouldn't feel the least bit bad about leaching a little bandwidth from your unsecured network if something were to happen to my home network, especially because everyone in the neighborhood is using the same ISP and shares bandwidth anyway. I'm going to assume you're doing the same, as aside from some port forwarding and firewall disabling, I've more or less left my router in factory setup, as it's the only way to get our two xbox's to connect to the internet, and since we run xp sp1 and vista I can have either wep or wpa encryption, but wind up fielding complaints from computer illiterates about whoever's laptop just quit connecting to the internet each time I try to password protect or disable SSID broadcasting. I promise not to run over your constantly screaming children on my way to work, or throw my cigarette butts on your lawn as long as I can leave uTorrent on overnight and have my shows ready by the time I get home. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10019','InternetBroken?'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10019','InternetBroken?','Personally, I have my own wifi and don't really need yours, but wouldn't feel the least bit bad about leaching a little bandwidth from your unsecured network if something were to happen to my home network, especially because everyone in the neighborhood is using the same ISP and shares bandwidth anyway. I'm going to assume you're doing the same, as aside from some port forwarding and firewall disabling, I've more or less left my router in factory setup, as it's the only way to get our two xbox's to connect to the internet, and since we run xp sp1 and vista I can have either wep or wpa encryption, but wind up fielding complaints from computer illiterates about whoever's laptop just quit connecting to the internet each time I try to password protect or disable SSID broadcasting. I promise not to run over your constantly screaming children on my way to work, or throw my cigarette butts on your lawn as long as I can leave uTorrent on overnight and have my shows ready by the time I get home. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Personally, I have my own wifi and don't really need yours, but wouldn't feel the least bit bad about leaching a little bandwidth from your unsecured network if something were to happen to my home network, especially because everyone in the neighborhood is using the same ISP and shares bandwidth anyway. I'm going to assume you're doing the same, as aside from some port forwarding and firewall disabling, I've more or less left my router in factory setup, as it's the only way to get our two xbox's to connect to the internet, and since we run xp sp1 and vista I can have either wep or wpa encryption, but wind up fielding complaints from computer illiterates about whoever's laptop just quit connecting to the internet each time I try to password protect or disable SSID broadcasting. I promise not to run over your constantly screaming children on my way to work, or throw my cigarette butts on your lawn as long as I can leave uTorrent on overnight and have my shows ready by the time I get home.
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]]> By: Guest1 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9956 Guest1 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:13:50 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9956 I had an open connection, but my neighbour's kids got carried away with it and began to download music like crazy onto their ipods, with my fairly slow connection. I couldn't even use my own net connection, I was lagging too bad. Had to password protect it. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9956','Guest1'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9956','Guest1','I had an open connection, but my neighbour's kids got carried away with it and began to download music like crazy onto their ipods, with my fairly slow connection. I couldn't even use my own net connection, I was lagging too bad. Had to password protect it. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> I had an open connection, but my neighbour's kids got carried away with it and began to download music like crazy onto their ipods, with my fairly slow connection. I couldn't even use my own net connection, I was lagging too bad. Had to password protect it.
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]]> By: bob http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9781 bob Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:22:47 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9781 @Scott Finally, a bit of intelligence leaks it's way into the conversation.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9781','bob'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9781','bob','@Scott Finally, a bit of intelligence leaks it\'s way into the conversation.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Scott Finally, a bit of intelligence leaks it’s way into the conversation.
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]]> By: bob http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9780 bob Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:20:01 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9780 Look at all the pissed off cheap bastards on here complaining. Buy your own internet cheapskates.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9780','bob'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9780','bob','Look at all the pissed off cheap bastards on here complaining.\r\n\r\nBuy your own internet cheapskates.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Look at all the pissed off cheap bastards on here complaining.

Buy your own internet cheapskates.

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]]> By: #Os Punks também amam! http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9778 #Os Punks também amam! Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:52:57 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9778 [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9778','#Os Punks também amam!'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9778','#Os Punks também amam!','[...] http:\/\/tech.nocr.at\/hacking-security\/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2\/ [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]
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]]> By: Not real name http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9770 Not real name Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:39:55 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9770 @nothanks – Picture this: somebody wants a piece of your cake. The box it came in had a note saying “help yourself” which you did not remove. You’re not around, but they see this and assume it’s ok and put some child porn on it. Have they done anything wrong? Yes, obviously not.

That’s essentially whats happening here: somebody comes along and tries to use your wifi. Their computer asks your router to allow it access to your wifi. Your router responds, on your behalf, that they have permission to connect. Then they download CP and you get in trouble with the FBI.

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]]> By: b http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9761 b Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:53:53 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9761 what? i didnt realize that my neighbor owned the airspace around their house? LOL I guess if i fart and it sneaks into their backyard thats also trespassing? <blockquote><a href='#comment-9739' rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Sean Thmas</a>Technically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor's property....</blockquote><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9761','b'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9761','b','what? i didnt realize that my neighbor owned the airspace around their house? LOL I guess if i fart and it sneaks into their backyard thats also trespassing?\r\n\r\n<blockquote><a href=\'#comment-9739\' rel=\"nofollow\">Originally Posted By Sean Thmas<\/a>Technically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor\'s property....<\/blockquote>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> what? i didnt realize that my neighbor owned the airspace around their house? LOL I guess if i fart and it sneaks into their backyard thats also trespassing?

Originally Posted By Sean ThmasTechnically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor’s property….

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]]> By: Sean Thmas http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9739 Sean Thmas Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:31:53 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9739 Technically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor's property....<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9739','Sean Thmas'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9739','Sean Thmas','Technically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor\'s property....'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Technically an open wifi signal is trespassing onto the neighbor’s property….
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]]> By: Nok http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9737 Nok Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:50:12 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9737 Can someone link us mortals to a "How-To" please? I've never split a network before...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9737','Nok'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9737','Nok','Can someone link us mortals to a \"How-To\" please? I\'ve never split a network before...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Can someone link us mortals to a “How-To” please? I’ve never split a network before…
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]]> By: Mike http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9730 Mike Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:07:39 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9730 I had a guy who stole my cable TV by putting a splitter on it underground and it wasn't until the cable company noticed it, but he never got punished. My point to all of these commenters is this: if you have something in your yard, such as Christmas decorations, plants, a grill, your kids bike; none of them are locked down. Since they aren't secured with a lock and key, does that mean it's okay to take and/or use them at your discretion? Of course not. Not until you have explicit permission from the owner of those items you wish to use, should you feel comfortable or allowed to do so. This includes WiFi, and anything else. It's a shame that we have to protect our own WiFi from pathetic neighbors who wish to steal it. Want WiFi? get your own. I did. Is it open? No. Should I be able to leave it open? Yes. BUT, this is America. Full of thieves, and lowlifes who feel that everything anyone else has should be theirs also-- and for free at that. Part of the unemployment problem and welfare issues facing us today. They all want it for themselves, but don't feel as though they should have to work for it. Get a job, get your own.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9730','Mike'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9730','Mike','I had a guy who stole my cable TV by putting a splitter on it underground and it wasn\'t until the cable company noticed it, but he never got punished. My point to all of these commenters is this: if you have something in your yard, such as Christmas decorations, plants, a grill, your kids bike; none of them are locked down. Since they aren\'t secured with a lock and key, does that mean it\'s okay to take and\/or use them at your discretion? Of course not. Not until you have explicit permission from the owner of those items you wish to use, should you feel comfortable or allowed to do so. This includes WiFi, and anything else. It\'s a shame that we have to protect our own WiFi from pathetic neighbors who wish to steal it. Want WiFi? get your own. I did. Is it open? No. Should I be able to leave it open? Yes. BUT, this is America. Full of thieves, and lowlifes who feel that everything anyone else has should be theirs also-- and for free at that. Part of the unemployment problem and welfare issues facing us today. They all want it for themselves, but don\'t feel as though they should have to work for it. Get a job, get your own.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I had a guy who stole my cable TV by putting a splitter on it underground and it wasn’t until the cable company noticed it, but he never got punished. My point to all of these commenters is this: if you have something in your yard, such as Christmas decorations, plants, a grill, your kids bike; none of them are locked down. Since they aren’t secured with a lock and key, does that mean it’s okay to take and/or use them at your discretion? Of course not. Not until you have explicit permission from the owner of those items you wish to use, should you feel comfortable or allowed to do so. This includes WiFi, and anything else. It’s a shame that we have to protect our own WiFi from pathetic neighbors who wish to steal it. Want WiFi? get your own. I did. Is it open? No. Should I be able to leave it open? Yes. BUT, this is America. Full of thieves, and lowlifes who feel that everything anyone else has should be theirs also– and for free at that. Part of the unemployment problem and welfare issues facing us today. They all want it for themselves, but don’t feel as though they should have to work for it. Get a job, get your own.
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]]> By: Scott http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9632 Scott Fri, 22 May 2009 04:13:35 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9632 You people are retarded... "If you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water." If I leave my hose on, and it leaks into your yard, feel free to use the water. However, dont send anything back through the water to my property. That IS how wireless works, its a two way street. "How about you keep your damn wifi off my property.." How about you tell those planes to stop flying over, too. Or keep the smoke from your grill out of my air. Or the noise from that lawnmower off my property... "cause your infiltrating my house with <del>wifi</del> waves and we can easily make a law.." So is Verizon Wireless, Sprint, the local radio stations, etc etc etc...let me know how it works out when you tell them to "keep off your property". I could go on and on...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9632','Scott'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9632','Scott','You people are retarded...\r\n\r\n\"If you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water.\"\r\n\r\nIf I leave my hose on, and it leaks into your yard, feel free to use the water. However, dont send anything back through the water to my property. That IS how wireless works, its a two way street.\r\n\r\n\"How about you keep your damn wifi off my property..\"\r\n\r\nHow about you tell those planes to stop flying over, too. Or keep the smoke from your grill out of my air. Or the noise from that lawnmower off my property...\r\n\r\n\"cause your infiltrating my house with <del>wifi<\/del> waves and we can easily make a law..\"\r\n\r\nSo is Verizon Wireless, Sprint, the local radio stations, etc etc etc...let me know how it works out when you tell them to \"keep off your property\". \r\n\r\nI could go on and on...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You people are retarded…

“If you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water.”

If I leave my hose on, and it leaks into your yard, feel free to use the water. However, dont send anything back through the water to my property. That IS how wireless works, its a two way street.

“How about you keep your damn wifi off my property..”

How about you tell those planes to stop flying over, too. Or keep the smoke from your grill out of my air. Or the noise from that lawnmower off my property…

“cause your infiltrating my house with wifi waves and we can easily make a law..”

So is Verizon Wireless, Sprint, the local radio stations, etc etc etc…let me know how it works out when you tell them to “keep off your property”.

I could go on and on…

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]]> By: Mega-gia: 64 cosas que un Geek deveria saber « marcianos conectados http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9626 Mega-gia: 64 cosas que un Geek deveria saber « marcianos conectados Mon, 18 May 2009 16:38:48 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9626 [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (74.200.245.176) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9626','Mega-gia: 64 cosas que un Geek deveria saber « marcianos conectados'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9626','Mega-gia: 64 cosas que un Geek deveria saber « marcianos conectados','[...] http:\/\/tech.nocr.at\/hacking-security\/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2\/ [...]\n\n[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment\'s server IP (74.200.245.176) doesn\'t match the comment\'s URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment’s server IP (74.200.245.176) doesn’t match the comment’s URL host IP (74.200.243.251) and so is spam.

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]]> By: tmayton http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9605 tmayton Thu, 07 May 2009 13:28:17 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9605 <a href='#comment-9576' rel="nofollow">@joulesbeef</a> - Agreed. At the very least, it's rude to broadcast an ID to people you don't want accessing the network. With most of these private networks that exclusively use the same set of computers, they need to stop broadcasting ID's and tell the routers to limit access based on the MACs along with a wpa2 key. That's a pretty polite way of saying keep out. After that, yeah, someones obvious acting in a hostile manner if trying to access the network. Mindgames are justified at that point. [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9605','tmayton'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9605','tmayton','<a href=\'#comment-9576\' rel=\"nofollow\">@joulesbeef<\/a> - \r\n\r\nAgreed. At the very least, it\'s rude to broadcast an ID to people you don\'t want accessing the network. With most of these private networks that exclusively use the same set of computers, they need to stop broadcasting ID\'s and tell the routers to limit access based on the MACs along with a wpa2 key. That\'s a pretty polite way of saying keep out. After that, yeah, someones obvious acting in a hostile manner if trying to access the network. Mindgames are justified at that point.\n\n[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us \'0 which is not a hashcash value.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @joulesbeef –

Agreed. At the very least, it’s rude to broadcast an ID to people you don’t want accessing the network. With most of these private networks that exclusively use the same set of computers, they need to stop broadcasting ID’s and tell the routers to limit access based on the MACs along with a wpa2 key. That’s a pretty polite way of saying keep out. After that, yeah, someones obvious acting in a hostile manner if trying to access the network. Mindgames are justified at that point.

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us ‘0 which is not a hashcash value.

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]]> By: rob http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9603 rob Wed, 06 May 2009 21:51:01 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9603 <a href='#comment-9576' rel="nofollow">@joulesbeef</a> - LMFAO wow that is funny sh*t but also, VERY TRUE!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9603','rob'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9603','rob','<a href=\'#comment-9576\' rel=\"nofollow\">@joulesbeef<\/a> - LMFAO wow that is funny sh*t but also, VERY TRUE!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @joulesbeef – LMFAO wow that is funny sh*t but also, VERY TRUE!!!
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]]> By: smadamr | 2^6 Things Every Geek Should Know http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9596 smadamr | 2^6 Things Every Geek Should Know Fri, 01 May 2009 02:06:29 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9596 [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9596','smadamr | 2^6 Things Every Geek Should Know'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9596','smadamr | 2^6 Things Every Geek Should Know','[...] http:\/\/tech.nocr.at\/hacking-security\/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2\/ [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/ [...]
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]]> By: fukoff http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9583 fukoff Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:55:14 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9583 you all are stupid and should fukoff lol<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9583','fukoff'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9583','fukoff','you all are stupid and should fukoff lol'); return false;">Quote</a></div> you all are stupid and should fukoff lol
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]]> By: 64 cosas que todo geek deberia saber | Tecnologia y Sociedad http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9582 64 cosas que todo geek deberia saber | Tecnologia y Sociedad Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:15:25 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9582 [...] 20. Combatir los Wifi Leechers [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9582','64 cosas que todo geek deberia saber | Tecnologia y Sociedad'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9582','64 cosas que todo geek deberia saber | Tecnologia y Sociedad','[...] 20. Combatir los Wifi Leechers [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] 20. Combatir los Wifi Leechers [...]
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]]> By: Hunter http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9580 Hunter Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:38:34 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9580 I think a correct analogy for this would be if you left your radio on in your house (which btw you are doing with your wifi)and I listened to it in my house. Nuf said. Brandon has a point though, eat my cake, but you damn well better leave me plenty. I've been known to leech a wifi before, and thus left mine open (with an encrypted network) for internet use, but there is definitely an etiquette to it. You don't do high bandwidth apps on someone else's network unless you're personally invited to. checking your email, pulling down an youtube vid, cruising the internet - all cool as long as you do it safely and courteously.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9580','Hunter'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9580','Hunter','I think a correct analogy for this would be if you left your radio on in your house (which btw you are doing with your wifi)and I listened to it in my house. Nuf said. \r\n\r\nBrandon has a point though, eat my cake, but you damn well better leave me plenty. I\'ve been known to leech a wifi before, and thus left mine open (with an encrypted network) for internet use, but there is definitely an etiquette to it. You don\'t do high bandwidth apps on someone else\'s network unless you\'re personally invited to. checking your email, pulling down an youtube vid, cruising the internet - all cool as long as you do it safely and courteously.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think a correct analogy for this would be if you left your radio on in your house (which btw you are doing with your wifi)and I listened to it in my house. Nuf said.

Brandon has a point though, eat my cake, but you damn well better leave me plenty. I’ve been known to leech a wifi before, and thus left mine open (with an encrypted network) for internet use, but there is definitely an etiquette to it. You don’t do high bandwidth apps on someone else’s network unless you’re personally invited to. checking your email, pulling down an youtube vid, cruising the internet – all cool as long as you do it safely and courteously.

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]]> By: Brandon http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9579 Brandon Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:39:06 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9579 @nothanks: I don't mind if you have a nice slice, but if you barely leave me any cake, beware the consequences. Setting this up after X number of pages might work.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9579','Brandon'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9579','Brandon','@nothanks: I don\'t mind if you have a nice slice, but if you barely leave me any cake, beware the consequences.\r\n\r\nSetting this up after X number of pages might work.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @nothanks: I don’t mind if you have a nice slice, but if you barely leave me any cake, beware the consequences.

Setting this up after X number of pages might work.

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]]> By: Ryan http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9578 Ryan Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:47:48 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9578 Can anyone translate this to english? Us mortals can't just snap our fingers and split a network. :\<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9578','Ryan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9578','Ryan','Can anyone translate this to english? Us mortals can\'t just snap our fingers and split a network.\r\n\r\n:\'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Can anyone translate this to english? Us mortals can’t just snap our fingers and split a network.

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]]> By: joulesbeef http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9576 joulesbeef Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:46:12 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9576 How about you keep your damn wifi off my property.. if you feel like that. make your sidd keep out.. but drop the attitude cause your infiltrating my house with wifi waves and we can easily make a law.. saying keep your EM waves on your own damn property. If you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9576','joulesbeef'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9576','joulesbeef','How about you keep your damn wifi off my property.. if you feel like that.\r\nmake your sidd keep out.. but drop the attitude cause your infiltrating my house with wifi waves and we can easily make a law.. saying keep your EM waves on your own damn property.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> How about you keep your damn wifi off my property.. if you feel like that.
make your sidd keep out.. but drop the attitude cause your infiltrating my house with wifi waves and we can easily make a law.. saying keep your EM waves on your own damn property.

If you sit their and let your hose drain onto my property you have no business complaining when i use the water.

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]]> By: That's really stupid http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9474 That's really stupid Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:32:39 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9474 <a href='#comment-9468' rel="nofollow">@thats stupid</a> - That's not exactly a correct analogy. When you connect to someone else's unprotected wifi you're not going into someone else's house. In reality, you're using something that was put through your walls into your house. Something a little closer to reality would be: I go into your house and leave a cake on the table. You eat a slice of the cake.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9474','That\'s really stupid'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9474','That\'s really stupid','<a href=\'#comment-9468\' rel=\"nofollow\">@thats stupid<\/a> - That\'s not exactly a correct analogy. When you connect to someone else\'s unprotected wifi you\'re not going into someone else\'s house. In reality, you\'re using something that was put through your walls into your house. Something a little closer to reality would be: I go into your house and leave a cake on the table. You eat a slice of the cake.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @thats stupid – That’s not exactly a correct analogy. When you connect to someone else’s unprotected wifi you’re not going into someone else’s house. In reality, you’re using something that was put through your walls into your house. Something a little closer to reality would be: I go into your house and leave a cake on the table. You eat a slice of the cake.
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]]> By: thats stupid http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9468 thats stupid Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:43:34 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9468 <a href='#comment-9466' rel="nofollow">@nothanks</a> - That's stupid. Is it alright for people off the street to come into my house because they see the doors open? No. The same thought applies to wifi.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9468','thats stupid'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9468','thats stupid','<a href=\'#comment-9466\' rel=\"nofollow\">@nothanks<\/a> - That\'s stupid. Is it alright for people off the street to come into my house because they see the doors open? No. The same thought applies to wifi.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @nothanks – That’s stupid. Is it alright for people off the street to come into my house because they see the doors open? No. The same thought applies to wifi.
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]]> By: nothanks http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9466 nothanks Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:01:26 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-9466 Picture this: somebody wants a piece of your cake. The box it came in had a note saying "help yourself" which you did not remove. You're not around, but they see this and assume it's ok and have a slice. Have they done anything wrong? No, obviously not. That's essentially whats happening here: somebody comes along and tries to use your wifi. Their computer asks your router to allow it access to your wifi. Your router responds, on your behalf, that they have permission to connect. Have they done anything wrong? If you have left it set up to allow connections by default, then you are allowing connections! Wifi hackers are another matter, obviously...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9466','nothanks'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9466','nothanks','Picture this: somebody wants a piece of your cake. The box it came in had a note saying \"help yourself\" which you did not remove. You\'re not around, but they see this and assume it\'s ok and have a slice. Have they done anything wrong? No, obviously not.\r\n\r\nThat\'s essentially whats happening here: somebody comes along and tries to use your wifi. Their computer asks your router to allow it access to your wifi. Your router responds, on your behalf, that they have permission to connect. \r\n\r\nHave they done anything wrong? If you have left it set up to allow connections by default, then you are allowing connections! \r\n\r\nWifi hackers are another matter, obviously...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Picture this: somebody wants a piece of your cake. The box it came in had a note saying “help yourself” which you did not remove. You’re not around, but they see this and assume it’s ok and have a slice. Have they done anything wrong? No, obviously not.

That’s essentially whats happening here: somebody comes along and tries to use your wifi. Their computer asks your router to allow it access to your wifi. Your router responds, on your behalf, that they have permission to connect.

Have they done anything wrong? If you have left it set up to allow connections by default, then you are allowing connections!

Wifi hackers are another matter, obviously…

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]]> By: Hunt Down Wi Fi Leeches With MoocherHunter | tech.nocr.at http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8993 Hunt Down Wi Fi Leeches With MoocherHunter | tech.nocr.at Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:09:32 +0000 http://tech.nocr.at/hacking-security/baffle-wifi-leeches-with-an-upside-down-ternet-2/#comment-8993 [...] week we showed you how to screw with people who were stealing your Wi Fi signal by flipping their browsers and blurring their images. Today we show you how to hunt those Wi Fi [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8993','Hunt Down Wi Fi Leeches With MoocherHunter | tech.nocr.at'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8993','Hunt Down Wi Fi Leeches With MoocherHunter | tech.nocr.at','[...] week we showed you how to screw with people who were stealing your Wi Fi signal by flipping their browsers and blurring their images. Today we show you how to hunt those Wi Fi [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] week we showed you how to screw with people who were stealing your Wi Fi signal by flipping their browsers and blurring their images. Today we show you how to hunt those Wi Fi [...]
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